My name is Jenn and I have a few
comments and questions regarding the case with Roy W.
titled Strange, Strangers, Strangest.
I'm going to be bold here and tell you right up that I'm
fairly certain I have seen the same aircraft described
in Graham Conway's writings about the case. When I read
the article I was astonished to find that he described
almost exactly what I remember seeing, I saw it about 10
years ago. It was also flying unusually low. I never
called the airport on it.
I was wondering if you had any more information on the
"aircraft" (sketches, paint scheme style, etc), and also
any more information on the visitors.
It sounds insane but I think I may have seen something
like Mr. Samuel and Mr. Graeme as well, but not in
context with the aircraft as far as I know. This was
earlier, about in early May, 2018.
Wishing you a happy new year.
Hello Jenn. Thank you for reminding us about a very
strange case from many years ago! It took me a while to
locate this article on our website! I remember
publishing it in our magazine - the UFO*BC Quarterly.
Unfortunately I was unable to locate any drawings or
additional information. The three main investigators are
also unavailable to question.
We would very much like to hear more details about your
sighting of the plane and the mysterious "men in black".
Thanks for your response and thank you for checking, I
do appreciate it. I would be happy to tell you about my
experiences, so here are a few details as follows. My
cases certainly can't quite compete with Roy's but they
are extremely strange nonetheless. I haven't told many
people about them but when I read Roy's case and saw
that someone else had seen nearly what I had, I felt a
little less insane. I've had so many bizarre things
happen to me I'd have to write a novel to get them all
on paper, but I'll touch on some of the relevant ones.
I painstakingly 3D modeled the V-tail craft a while ago
as closely as I remembered seeing it and I've attached
pictures in case you'd like to see it. [see below]
Regarding the "men in black":
17-May-2018 ~4:00 PM
walking downstairs into the kitchen and heard a weird
scratching sound outside the kitchen window. I looked
out and saw two men wearing glasses with thick dark
rims, exactly as described on Mr. Samuel and Mr. Graeme.
They were wearing gray coats with brown shirts, no ties.
Their hair was down below the shoulders and was a
greenish dark blond/light brown, and their skin was
They appeared to be investigating the ground by the
window, and were carrying two large club-like objects
with holes cut in them (think of lightening holes in a
steel support). The objects were made of a mauve,
plastic like material. I was about ready to confront
them about what they were doing on my lawn when they
noticed me and jumped back towards the privacy hedge.
I've seen these same two guys on numerous occasions but
I've only had brief conversations outside with them a
couple times. They never seemed to arrive in a car,
either. I have also been experiencing strange, vivid
dreams and "sleep paralysis" events since these
encounters started. I'm not sure if they are Sam and
Graeme but the descriptions match up aside from the
hair, I think Roy would have mentioned long hair if he
saw it. I will add that I don't mind these guys and am
not bothered by the events as they've never done
anything to threaten or harm me, but I am perplexed as
to the hows, what's, and why's.
Oddly, I haven't flown much since that conversation and
I'm selling my plane for unrelated reasons.
One of the times after the men visited the area, I
noticed my Kylie (an aboriginal hunting boomerang) which
is made of poly-carbonate resin (or something like that)
was warped in the front as if heat was applied to it.
I've attached photos of this as well. This Kylie has
never spent time in the sun or around anything that
could emit heat. I check this thing before and after
every flight to ensure its straightness, and I certainly
would have noticed a warp that big. I had just flown it
and inspected it not long before they were around.
Regarding the large crafts:
Roughly February, 2007
the one closer to Roy's, I saw it at dusk and I'm fairly
certain it was gray and silver with a black underbelly.
It made the same noise he described, like a locomotive.
The windows were bright as well, and there was a block
hanging down from the nose - you will see what I mean in
the painstakingly crafted 3D model photos I've attached.
It had a camera-like thing on the front of the block. A
friend of mine from Oregon was also witness to this
aircraft and he claims to have seen several sizes and
versions of the V-Tailed craft. He said he saw a logo on
one of their tails once that looked like the outline of
an airplane encircled in the style of an "@" symbol in
white trim. He saw them in the early 2000s when he was
living in Medford, Oregon. Apparently there was also a
blue one. The one I saw had no color except for the
marking on the tail (red like RW said). Another one had
a high-wing, and was smaller. Either these are something
the military is testing and is brushing off as balloons
(yeah, right), or these are being seen through some kind
of small holes in the temporal fabric.
The other more recent one was a broad daylight sighting
while I was a passenger in a car. It had a straight tail
(think normal airliner), but it was about 800' long,
only one row of windows (some of the windows were
blanked out like it was a cargo plane of some kind) and
the wingspan had to be 900'. The tail was blue, kind of
like how they paint prototype airliners, and there was a
marking on the side: 80-327, or B0-327.
The marking was written in blue and was large. The key
here is it was also "floating" along at a low altitude
(400-400'?). I was in west Florida for this particular
sighting (Also oddly in May, but in 2014). I travel
frequently and I am a licensed pilot, and I know what
planes are supposed to look like, and this one was just
too big to be normal. It was HUGE. I looked away for a
few seconds, looked back, and it was gone.
For years (even before I saw these aircraft) I've been
having vivid, recurring dreams of being on board what
could well be one of these craft: the cabin is huge with
obviously multiple decks from my point of view, and
there are consoles with computer screens and controls on
them in the middle of the plane where the middle row of
seats would normally be in a regular plane. The cabin is
huge, 50' wide, and I'm usually over water (or a dark,
featureless terrain) when I'm "in" these things.
There are a combination of types of people on these,
mostly people with long, silver hair. They're not the
"Nordic blonde" types, though. They're "grittier" and
not at all "angelic" or "profoundly loving" as the
Nordics are often described. These guys are more easy
going and even normal and business like, and they just
plug away at those computers. They all wear blue polo
shirts and khaki pants.
I theorize that these aircraft may be on a different
"time frequency" that these "holes" could allow someone
to see through. Heck, UFO's (flying saucers?) may simply
be resonators capable of breaching boundaries between
realities. Of course, that's just my dinky theory that
may or may not hold any water.
I apologize for the lengthy novella, let me know if you
have any questions about anything.
Hope your 2019 is off to a great start,
- Feb 12, 2019:
thought I'd do the courtesy of providing you with one
more "photo" I rendered of one of the jets (attached).
It gives a somewhat better representation of scale and
how it looked in the air when I saw it, and what the
lighting was like. I couldn't render the windows bright
enough, but it does the job well enough.
- September 21, 2019:
on some of my experiences rather vaguely in December of
last year, after coming across the article from Roy W
from the year 2000. So here's the rest of it, along with
a new incident. I feel like it's important that I send
this in, for my own conscience. So here we go.
That article from 2000 (Strange, Strangers, Strangest)
definitely got a hold of me and means a great deal to
me, as I feel an extremely strong connection with the
two men, Mr. Samuel and Mr. Graeme, and also a
connection with the aircraft. It almost felt as if I
knew them or knew of them already when I read the
article. The aircraft really hit home, not only because
I've seen similar things before, but because of the red
Z on the tail section - a colour and letter that has
recurred numerous times throughout my life.
recently changed my address and things heated up again.
I mentioned I've had experiences with multiple very
large aircraft including "extremely vivid dreams" of
being on board them (especially in 2015), and actual
physical experiences seeing these craft in person in
several places (along with a friend of mine who lives
just down in Oregon, so yes I have another witness!).
exposed to a LOT of unusual stuff over the course of my
life and I like to think I know a thing or two about
it... I'm not your "typical" experiencer, but I'm a
little different and I do have experience in this stuff.
I'm also a licensed pilot and I know a lot about
aircraft, types of aircraft, flight characteristics,
aerodynamics, and communications equipment.
know what "out of body experiences" and "lucid dreams"
are because I tried that stuff before and it's a
completely different feeling and sensation than my
experiences in the aircraft.
have any online presence, and I am very private, but I
feel that this needs to be out there, right where the
original article sits... ("That's communications" -Mr.
Samuel)... and I think someone knows I've been talking
about this stuff...
around 5:00 AM on September the 17th, 2019, I finished a
decent sleep with a few regular dreams. It was still
very dark and my vision was fuzzy (I wear very strong
glasses, and without them, my night vision is pretty
poor). Two figures appeared. They wore long sleeved
black shirts with black pants, and although it was dark
and their features were fuzzy to my bare eyes, I could
see that they both wore thick-rimmed square-rectangle
glasses and had short, dark hair. They looked just like
the guys that investigated the sighting in Surrey in the
aforementioned article (olive skin, "Korean" eyes).
figure (Mr. Graeme?!) pulled me up by my left wrist/hand
and did something. He then directed me to the other
figure (Mr. Samuel?! Or?), they escorted me linked-arm
as they pulled me down this weird little "path" into a
dark void-like area filled with what looked like dull
I should add that since all this began, I experience
constant "visual snow" like a poorly tuned TV at all
hours of every day, even with my glasses, but this stuff
was thicker and had bigger "sparks" in it than what I
sensation in my lower right to mid right back started, a
bit like electricity. I felt a vibration start and heard
steady rumbling "thunder" (I was convinced that it
actually was thunder, before remembering there was no
possibility of a storm). Bright, blueish-white light
flooded the entire area, and I found myself in another
one of the large aircraft (I had the impression that
this one also had a V-Shaped tail), and I was sitting in
a slightly reclined seat(?), with the two men standing
to my left and right. The windows were round and
we were on the top floor with the windows to my right. I
could just barely make out the wing further back out the
windows. The light inside the aircraft was a blueish
white, brilliantly bright, the floor was a grayish blue
plastic carpet type material, the seats were dark gray
and had a dull sheen. There was a wall (presumably
sectioning the front of the aircraft which has the round
windows from the rear which has the oblong ones) -- in
the middle, it had a gray door with a silver door frame.
The wall was a textured blueish gray material.
seating arrangement was 2 on each side up until half way
to the back divider wall where there was only one row of
seats on each side. The row of seats on each side on the
outside by the windows all faced forward, whereas the
inner rows of seats faced mostly backwards and some
faced inward towards the center of the aircraft. I was
sitting in the last seat on the left side of the craft
(when craft viewed from behind) of the inner row, facing
able to turn and look towards the front area (the
cockpit was up there on this floor), I could just see
there was an opening in the front bulkhead wide enough
to just see in. The lights in the cockpit appeared
bright but I couldn't see much else in there. There was
what appeared to be a "box" about 5 meters/15 feet wide
and a just over a half a meter/1.5 - 2 feet deep to the
left of the door, extending almost all the way to the
side of the aircraft. Behind and to the left of me,
there was a white "block" from floor to ceiling, about 7
meters/20 feet long by 3 meters/10 feet wide, white and
shiny with rounded corners. I'm presuming that "block"
extends down through the bottom floor and ultimately
ends out the bottom of the craft, presenting itself at
the same "block" Roy described seeing hanging down from
the front where the nose gear would be.
a slight "fogginess" to my vision, but it was still very
clear. The strange electrical sensation recurred two or
three times while I was aboard(?) the aircraft. The
sound aboard the craft was the same steady rumbling
the seats appeared empty. There were a few people
standing around throughout the cabin, with maybe only
~10 seats occupied within my field of vision. There
appeared to be at least one or two other people wearing
the same black long-sleeved outfits.
remember how the event ended, but I do remember finding
myself back in my house 5:25 AM feeling heavy in the
head. I went to sleep for an hour after that and when I
woke up, I felt extremely heavy headed and as if gravity
had been turned up a notch. I still had my balance and
was not dizzy or nauseated in any way. I felt like I was
walking through putty for most of the day after that,
but generally felt in good health.
think these two men are involved directly with the
aircraft (and with whatever is going on with me). As I
said before, I feel an extremely strong and special
connection with them like I've never felt before with
anyone or anything, and the whole story gets a hold of
me and has a lot to do with what I've been experiencing
throughout my life. I feel like I stumbled across it for
a reason (and I really did come across it in a strange
and unlikely way!). If they are the same two from the
year 2000 article (It is decidedly so), it appears they
may be involved with the project or whatever it is that
keeps these beautiful craft aloft and doing whatever job
it is they're doing, and working to fix whatever
"malfunction" is causing these craft to be seen in this
That's all from me. I had to send it in, and I hope you
enjoyed reading it and got something out of it (even if
it just makes you think... truth really is stranger than
fiction, isn't it?).
Have a great Autumn/Winter, stay warm, and don't forget
that there is so much more than meets the eye whenever
you turn to look at the sky...