Jeff
Rense: Hello John.
John
McConnel: Hello.
Jeff:
Welcome
John:
Thank You.
Jeff:
I don’t know how to extend to you my concerns
about what you’ve been through and your
frustrations, but we have all been at this long
enough to be able to tell you that it’s not
unusual...there are thousands of people listening
right now who’ve had similar feelings and we
appreciate you keeping at it. Some people just
shut up and don’t talk.
John:
Well I’m telling you that I’m still not over it.
I’ve just started to barely eat the last two days
and getting some half decent sleep, that’s how bad
it was.
Jeff:
You were not able to sleep for a number of days.
When did this latest event happen? We’ll talk
about some of the prior incidents, but the latest
big one, when did it happen John?
John:
It would be the 20th [July 1999].
Jeff:
Exactly one week ago today. So you’re indoors
doing what? Minding your own business? What time
of night was this?
John: No, no.
Initially Monday night I was just putting the
garbage out at one o’clock in the morning. Then I
just happened to see a little flash so I looked
behind the trailer and I seen this big thing
hovering over the back.
Jeff:
OK now let’s paint a little picture. It’s 1
o'clock in the morning. Is the trailer park pretty
dark at night?
John:
No. We have lights lit up around.
Jeff:
OK, so you’re out with the trash and you
notice a flash. What like a flash bulb flash?
John:
No, like a flash of lightning
Jeff:
OK, flash of lightning on the opposite of your
residence and you walked around at one in the
morning and what did you see?
John:
I saw this big sphere with like wings pointed
down. That was the first one I seen.
Jeff:
OK. Now hold on. Distance away? Approximately?
John:
Distance wise? Maybe a hundred yards away.
Jeff:
You could throw a rock!
John:
Pretty well I guess.
Jeff:
Pretty close to that distance. Alright. What’s the
terrain like? Was this over some of the other
mobile homes or over to one side of the park?
John:
Over the mobile home behind me directly over the
lake.
Jeff:
So there’s a lake right next to the park and
it’s over the lake and as you looked at it, it was
on top, just above some of the mobiles there. And
it was a sphere with wing coming off the edges
pointing down something like that?
John:
Yeah something like an "A".
Jeff:
Something like an "A" with a round circle in the
middle?
John:
On top of it. It had all the flashing different
coloured lights.
Jeff:
So we’ve got an orb with two wing-like things
coming in a downward angle. Not straight down but
maybe 45 degree angle?
John:
That’s right.
Jeff:
If you were to hold something out in your
outstretched arm, how big would that something be?
John:
If I held it out it would probably be the size of
a golf ball.
Jeff:
OK. A golf ball at arm's length. It’s that big
with two wings coming down and the golf ball
itself was illuminated? Was dark? Lights on it?
John:
The ball itself was really bright red...a
pulsating red and down the wings were other lights
and they were flashing a blue, a green, a white
and they were just flickering off and on, off and
on.
Jeff:
I understand. Were they in a straight line
down each wing? These two row of lights? Were they
flickering in sequence or at random?
John:
In a straight line down the wings and they were in
sequence.
Graham
Conway: Was there any noise John?
John:
Not a single sound.
Jeff:
So about a hundred yards away about as big as a
golf ball. Had you been able to get closer to
it...about as big as half your mobile home? As big
as your mobile?
John:
All I did was come running inside and got my son
and said, "Just come look out the window and tell
me if you see anything and he was shocked..
totally shocked. He said, "Dad, am I seeing what I
think I’m seeing?" so I says, "So you’re seeing it
too?" and he says "Yeah".
Jeff:
So then what’d you do?
John:
I went around to other trailer units. Like I said,
it was 1 o'clock in the morning and I was banging
on the doors waking them up and they all thought I
was nuts or drunk or smoking something, which I
don’t.
Jeff:
What were you wearing at the time, pajamas?
John:
No no. My jean shirt and jeans.
Jeff:
Did anybody come out?
John:
Yeah. They said, "Go sleep it off!". All I wanted
to do was borrow a camera. It’s right out the back
here and they wouldn’t even take the time to come
look.
Jeff:
Do you remember what you said to them?
John:
Yeah... I said there’s a UFO right out the
back here, just over the lake and they just sort
of closed the door on me. I woke other neighbours
up which they came out and they saw just as it was
going away. They saw the lights and everything
flashing the different colours.
Jeff:
They did see it. Good, you have other
witnesses. How many people did you get out to look
at it John?
John:
Two.
Jeff:
Well better than zero. And how long was the
object visible to you?
John:
Till about 3 o’clock in the morning.
Jeff:
You were going around bonkers for quite some time
then.
John:
Absolutely
Jeff:
Was the object pretty much stationary for most of
the time?
John:
Right
Jeff:
....and almost as if it knew when you got a couple
more witnesses it decided to take off.
John:
No, I actually phoned the police.
Jeff:
And did they show?
John:
No, they didn’t show. I phoned back at 4:30 and I
also have a police scanner and they were just
making mockery about how the aliens have landed
and stuff like that. So I phoned back and told
`em.
Jeff:
You heard what they were saying. Good you
confronted them.
John:
I told them I wasn’t too pleased about what you’re
saying. I says "You can come out here and take a
blood test and a breath test. I’m not drinking.
I’m not doing drugs and you’ll see this thing".
Jeff:
As human as that response may be it angers me.
We’re paying these people to respect us....to
protect us. If I were you, but I’m not, I would
get a copy of those 911 calls and bring them to
the attention of city council and the Police
Chief, because that is not what I would exactly
call professional conduct.
John:
Well it’s funny ‘cause when I went to the
police station the desk sergeant turned around and
said, "No calls were reported that night" and I
says, "That’s awfully funny, because I’m the one
that originally reported it in."
Jeff:
So what he’s saying is that the tapes have
disappeared?
John:
I guess so.
Jeff:
I get the picture... we all get the picture.
That’s very unfortunate and I share your
incredible frustration and anger to hear about
this. OK, so the object is visible for well over
an hour and then when it retreated...how did it
retreat? And in what direction did it go?
John:
It went to the southeast.
Jeff:
Did it retreat horizontally or vertical?
John:
Straight up on an angle towards the south.
Jeff:
Then out of sight?
John:
Out of sight.
Jeff:
And what period of time would you say it began its
departure until it was not visible?
John:
It was after a good hour anyway... I couldn’t get
hold of a camera, nobody would loan me a camera...
uh... I was pretty distraught from what I’d heard
over the scanner and stuff like that so then the
next day I phoned my sister and then I got my
sister to come out here when I started seeing them
again and they came out with their video camera.
Jeff:
Alright... that’s your sister Mildred....
John:
Right... and her husband.
Jeff:
Mildred will join us in just a minute now...
what I think I just heard you say is that you’ve
seen these again since last Tuesday?
John:
Right...I got the one that’s like the big mother
ship and she was actually loading on other ships
onto it.
Jeff:
Alright... let’s try and reconstruct that. You’re
describing these extremely well. I want you to
know that. Don’t have any hesitation. Last Tuesday
was the first sighting. You called your sister and
when was the next sighting of this mother ship?
John:
That would have been early Wednesday morning
Jeff:
Ok the very next day. Tell us about that one.
John:
My sister suggested I get a security camera
from the carport that I have against people
stealing the car or breaking in. Mildred suggested
that I just take that off and set it up. Which I
did that night.
Jeff:
How did you know which direction to point the
camera?
John:
I was just looking for the spots in the sky where
they were pulsating.
Jeff:
You could see these things pulsating?
John:
I could actually see them pulsate.
Jeff:
So you set the camera up and turned it on. Was it
on a continuous loop or set off by motion?
John:
No, I put it on continuous. So I pointed it in the
direction they all were and this is where my whole
life changed around. I’m 49 years old. I was kind
of a believer before but not a believer ‘cause
I’ve never seen anything. But what I saw that
night... I was actually devastated... like I
wasn’t sleeping... I wasn’t eating... I had people
look at this to make sure of what I had on tape
because its over 15 minutes long of this big ship
taking on these other ones. Other people had
actually seen this too.
Jeff:
Tell us about what this big ship looked like
and where it was in relation to your residence.
John:
OK. It was to the rear of my residence just to the
north/northeast, just below the mountain range
where they had done a clear cut maybe 4-5 years
ago.
Jeff:
How many miles away?
John:
Would be maybe 3-4 miles.
Jeff:
OK, and again, this is the early morning. Why were
you up? Just checking the camera?
John:
No, after the first sighting I couldn’t sleep and
thought maybe I could get to see a little bit more
but I got to see more than what I wanted to see.
Jeff:
So you went out... tell us what you saw...
this is a big thing at distance and again at arm’s
distance about how big would this be?
John:
Well one of the fells that was here last night...
like I’m not a mathematical brain... but from what
he figured looking out the back window to where
the clear cut was and what he saw on the TV he
figured it had to be well over 350 feet in length.
It was humungous and there was two of them but I
only got the one on camera.
Jeff: This is
extraordinary and Graham had mentioned they viewed
some extraordinary video at your home. The object
was shaped like what?
John:
It was like a saucer shape but the hump in the
middle wasn’t directly in the centre it was more
to the... I guess to the left side of it.
Jeff:
So it’s slightly off centre on the top but there
was a dome but it was not centered.
John:
It wasn’t in the centre no.
Jeff:
Ok and the object itself was pulsating, was
steadily illuminated... how did look?
John:
It was like a silver colour and at the bottom of
was different coloured lights and they were
actually spinning around while it was hovering. It
didn’t touch down it just hovered just below the
mountain range.
Jeff:
And the lights under it. Did it look like they
were attached to it or just spinning around?
John:
They were attached to it.
Jeff:
It must have been absolutely beautiful.
John:
It was absolutely gorgeous but it was scaring the
living... daylights out of me, ‘cause it wasn’t
just the one ship there were the two them. If I
had turned the camera just a little bit to the
right I would have had them both.
Jeff:
Same shape?
John:
Same shape, same size, everything. And they
were loading up all these other ships!
Jeff:
Tell us what the loading procedure looked like
to you.
John:
There was a beacon in front of it just directly in
front of it and another just behind it.
Jeff:
A beacon being a flashing light?
John:
Like spheres and then there were smaller spheres
that were actually going down underneath and
coming in at the top and actually going inside
this ship.
Jeff:
You could see them entering the ship?
John:
Yes I could actually see them entering into
the ship.
Jeff:
The ship is taking on smaller ships. What did
the smaller items look like? And as we’re looking
at this round disc-shaped huge enormous object
with a dome on top of it but off centre, where are
the objects entering and what do the objects
appear to your eye to look like from that
distance?
John:
Seemed like they were entering from the very
bottom going into the bottom and also going into
the upper top part.
Jeff:
So they were streaming in from one direction or
several directions?
John:
Several directions.
Jeff:
These were little lights? What colour were these
lights?
John:
They would appear in different colours like
they would go from a white to red and then to a
blue and then enter the ship.
Jeff:
So they’d come in almost as if a reconnaissance...
coming back?
John:
This is what I was scared of. This is what
frightened me. If I only had to see the one it
wouldn’t have bothered me as much... but I seen
hundreds of them.
Jeff:
Two big ships and hundreds of smaller ones?
John:
Hundreds of these things were entering the one
ship alone...it was unbelievable.
Jeff:
Oh my, and who was able to watch this with
you?
John:
There was absolutely nobody here at the time,
everybody was sleeping. My son is not into this at
all.
Jeff:
After the first sight he didn’t want anything to
do with it?
John:
That’s right. After I replayed the video tape and
you could see them coming into the ship from the
north and just before it took off there was a...
one that was stationary right in front of it lit
up, about four really bright intense pulsating
glows and then about a minute after that, that’s
when this ship and the other ship actually took
off.
Jeff:
Almost like a cadence or a countdown or a signal
of some kind.
John:
A signal exactly the way I took it. It was signal
for them to go.
Jeff:
How mind boggling... you poor guy four nights no
sleep... you are so fortunate as you know to have
met Graham and his colleagues. They will take
everything you say totally seriously and help you
with it.
Graham:
John, mention the jet fighters.
John:
Yeah. It was earlier in the evening just after
the sun went down, there was military fighters. I
don’t whether they were Canadian or American. They
were actually chasing these things over the
trailer court and as they were chasing them they
would just... bang... disappear like you turned
the light switch off.
Jeff:
They were chasing the smaller items? Not the
big ships but the smaller ones?
John:
Right. And when I asked about it they said
there were no military planes in the area
whatsoever
Jeff:
There never are John.
John:
...and I have that on video... I have the
fighters going crazy around here.
Jeff:
And were you able to hear them without any
question... the fighters.
John:
Yeah.
Jeff:
And you have neighbours that can testify to that?
John:
Yep.
Jeff:
And how many fighters?
John: There
are two of them on that night. I originally
reported it Monday night and Tuesday night the
fighters were here, and they were saying there was
nothing.
Jeff:
That would frustrate anybody believe me. Now
Mildred is standing by there with you. Was she
able to see something after this? On another
night?
John:
Yep. When I phoned her on Tuesday night her
and her husband came over and they went directly
over to the Ruskin dam. On the cell phone I talked
to Gene, her husband, and they were saying they
couldn’t see anything from the dam. I says there
is one directly northeast of you, and it’s really
big and bright.
Jeff:
This is one of the mother ships?
John:
No, this is the one that had like the wings
pointing down.
Jeff:
Ok. Now how many of those were there, we just
heard of the one on the first night.
John:
Yeah there was just the one when they came
over on the Tuesday and they were right there at
the dam and they couldn’t see nothing. I’m only
about two minutes away from the dam, they got in
the car and came down here, they looked out the
back window and they couldn’t believe it. From
where I am they could see it hovering right there.
From the dam itself they couldn’t see it.
Jeff:
It was somehow obscured or cloaked from their
dam vantage point but when they got to you they
could see the round globe and the wings... they
could see that easy?
John:
Yeah... and all the different coloured lights
flashing.
Jeff:
Let me get Mildred on the phone...Mildred?
Mildred:
Hi.
Jeff:
Your brother is heroic with his efforts to
bring this to all our listeners. We really
appreciate it. Tell us what you saw. You pretty
much saw the object as he described it? You came
down from the dam yet you couldn’t see it at the
dam.
Mildred:
Yeah it was really amazing... and not a sound...
it was dead silent. What I saw was like the sphere
part of it. I don’t have very good eyes and the
colours were like red blue and lime green going on
around the base of it and probably the size of a
football field or bigger and it was hovering sort
of on its side. It had moved from behind the trees
and it came up a little bit closer and closer. It
went from probably 200 yards up to about 100
yards.
Jeff:
You were within 100 yards of it?
Mildred:
Yeah. It was amazing.
Jeff:
How did you and your husband react?
Mildred:
Odd... the good thing is that my son... my 13 year
old son was here visiting and he saw it as well
and he couldn’t believe it.
Jeff:
What was he saying?
Mildred:
He just... he was always denying that he didn’t
believe in this stuff until he saw it that night.
Jeff:
What were your emotions? Fear? Curiosity? A
mixture of everything?
Mildred:
With what I saw it was like a sigh saying, "YES!
It’s true!". There was no doubt in my mind. They
come up with excuses saying it’s some kind of
military plane and all that. Definitely not. It
was a saucer.
Jeff:
So your feeling was confirmation?
Mildred:
Oh yes, 100 percent guaranteed. There was no
doubt whatsoever in my mind and the thing I found
amazing was every now and then you’d see these red
rays shooting out of it. The first one was on the
right hand side and then probably... I don’t know
maybe two minutes later there was one on the
left-hand side.
Jeff:
Small thin beams of light? Or bigger wider rays of
light?
Mildred:
Like a red beam that shot down
Jeff:
Onto the ground?
Mildred:
Yeah. I don’t know what it was for or whatever and
then it moved a little bit after it shot the beams
and it seemed really close but I had to get up to
go to work. Then the next night when all this
other stuff was happening with my brother my son
was flying back home to his father so I was beat
by the time I got back home but I would have
camped up here. There’s something big going on
Jeff no kidding.
Jeff:
How big was the item when it was closest? If you
were to hold something out at arm’s length.
Mildred:
Uhh... wow....
Jeff:
An orange? Golf ball?
Mildred:
Ohhh... bigger than that.
Jeff:
Bigger than an orange?
Mildred:
Oh yeah...
Jeff:
Bigger than a full moon?
Mildred:
Yeah...probably...not by much but probably yeah.
Graham:
Mildred?
Mildred:
Yeah?
Graham:
Tell Jeff about the scanner conversation
between the police you heard and the comments they
made about the "twilight zone".
Mildred:
That was about 2-3 years ago. My brother had
recorded on a police scanner.... my brother should
probably tell that one.
Jeff:
We’ll hear that from John in a few minutes. Tell
us what else happened in your mind... what other
remembrances you have that might be helpful to us?
Mildred:
The thing that I find amazing is that only a
hundred yards away there was no sound...
nothing... not even a peep and the amazing thing
is you didn’t hear any animals whatsoever. It was
dead silent when these things were around.
Jeff:
No crickets... and you have a million crickets
and frogs I imagine?
Mildred:
Exactly. But there was more around than just that
one there was 3 or 4 of them that were in the
vicinity but that one was the closest.
Jeff:
The others that were in the vicinity were they
the same size do you think? The same type craft or
different?
Mildred:
Probably... yeah... it was so far off in the
distance it was hard to make out but... they were
definitely moving about erratically but this one
was right up close. It was like saying, "Here I
am".
Jeff:
Did you have any psychic feelings like it was
aware you were watching it?
Mildred:
I have no doubt in my mind. My brother has on film
white flashes in the bushes which is not very far
from his trailer and these are not fire flies.
Jeff:
So the camera was picking up on video the bushes
reflecting some kind of flashing light?
Mildred:
Exactly. That’s scary.
Jeff:
How long was your sighting then? The duration
approximately?
Mildred:
Oh I’d say a good couple of hours. I literally had
to leave to get my son home for his flight and it
was still there when I left
Jeff:
And it stayed relatively close ?
Mildred:
Yeah.
Jeff:
How could you leave something like that?
Mildred:
You know if my son didn’t have to go home you
wouldn’t have gotten me away from there.
Jeff:
Tell his Dad, "Sorry we had an encounter". Then
you would have been in real trouble though.
Mildred:
Yeah! Could you believe it?
Jeff:
Alright Mildred this extraordinary... do you have
any plans to go out there and catch more of these
things? It sounds like from what we’re going to
hear after the break from John that there is quite
a history there. Do you want to go out and camp
out and try and see more or have you seen enough
for awhile?
Mildred:
No I would actually love to go up with my UFOBC
group if they would have me... I'd be very much
interested in that.
Jeff:
Alright super... OK thanks very much Mildred.
Jeff:
John if you’re there go ahead and tell us about
what you heard and recorded on your scanner.
John:
About 3 years ago I was listening to the police
scanner and then there was a report that came in
from over in Mission somebody reported that they
saw this red ball in the sky.
Jeff:
And that’s where you live, in Mission, right?
John:
That’s why I bought the place over here because it
was close to all the action that was going on but
I didn’t expect what I got anyway. Anyway the
police officer went up to the person that phoned
in and he spotted this thing in the sky above the
tree line and he radioed the station that there
was... and the station says, "there could be a
flare" and the officer says, "No. I worked for the
Marines and I know what a flare looks like....this
thing is hovering over the tree line". So then a
few minutes after all you heard the officers read
back is, "HOLY GEEZ! If I weren’t seeing this with
my own eyes I would never believe this!" He says,
"This thing is the size of a football field."
Jeff:
You have this on tape?
John:
I had it on tape. I had loaned the tape out to
somebody and I never ever got the tape back.
Jeff:
Well we learned a lesson there didn’t we?
John:
That’s why I’m not giving out or loaning out the
original tape to what I got of this. Nobody is
getting their hands on this one.
Jeff:
Alright. Anything else on this visit you want to
leave us with John... any details that are
important that I haven’t been able to get to yet
or that you haven’t been able to?
John:
Well the only thing is, like I say, I was totally
baffled... really upset over this... I even went
as far as phoning my lawyer. When I was getting in
touch with the police and the military I wanted my
lawyer to be over here so he could view the tape
with the police, and my lawyer even turns around
and says, "John, when did you start smoking
anything?" And I told him I didn’t.
Jeff:
You mean your former lawyer?
John:
My former lawyer is right
Jeff:
It just challenges people to their very core in
many cases and they just can’t handle it. So they
deny it.
John:
Well with everything I’ve gone through this past
week and stuff like that I was going absolutely
bananas. Like I didn’t know if we were under some
kind of invasion from what I saw. I was showing
people and they were absolutely stunned at what
they were seeing on the TV, even the news
networks. They wanted me to bring in the original,
they were even going to send a car out from
Vancouver so I would bring in the originals and I
wouldn’t do that. I was afraid something might be
set up down the line, that I would be intercepted
with the originals. So I was told by somebody else
to get the originals out of the residence and
somewhere safe. That is precisely the procedure I
did take. On the second tape I have video of
almost three hours.
Jeff:
We have video. It is secure. You are working with
Graham and the UFOBC folks. This is an
investigation that will go from one end to the
other. You’re in good hands. Thank you John very,
very much for sharing that tonight and I
appreciate your time and please give your sister a
thanks as well.
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