Jeff Rense: Hello
John McConnel: Hello.
John: Thank You.
Jeff: I dont know how to
extend to you my concerns about what youve been through and your frustrations, but
we have all been at this long enough to be able to tell you that its not
unusual...there are thousands of people listening right now whove had similar
feelings and we appreciate you keeping at it. Some people just shut up and dont
John: Well Im telling you that
Im still not over it. Ive just started to barely eat the last two days and
getting some half decent sleep, thats how bad it was.
Jeff: You were not able to sleep for
a number of days. When did this latest event happen? Well talk about some of the
prior incidents, but the latest big one, when did it happen John?
John: It would be the 20th
Jeff: Exactly one week ago today. So
youre indoors doing what? Minding your own business? What time of night was this?
John: No, no. Initially Monday night I was just
putting the garbage out at one oclock in the morning. Then I just happened to see a
little flash so I looked behind the trailer and I seen this big thing hovering over the
Jeff: OK now lets paint a
little picture. Its 1 o'clock in the morning. Is the trailer park pretty dark at
John: No. We have lights lit up
Jeff: OK, so youre out with
the trash and you notice a flash. What like a flash bulb flash?
John: No, like a flash of lightning
Jeff: OK, flash of lightning on the
opposite of your residence and you walked around at one in the morning and what did you
John: I saw this big sphere with
like wings pointed down. That was the first one I seen.
Jeff: OK. Now hold on. Distance
John: Distance wise? Maybe a hundred
Jeff: You could throw a rock!
John: Pretty well I guess.
Jeff: Pretty close to that distance.
Alright. Whats the terrain like? Was this over some of the other mobile homes or
over to one side of the park?
John: Over the mobile home behind me
directly over the lake.
Jeff: So theres a lake right
next to the park and its over the lake and as you looked at it, it was on top, just
above some of the mobiles there. And it was a sphere with wing coming off the edges
pointing down something like that?
John: Yeah something like an
Jeff: Something like an
"A" with a round circle in the middle?
John: On top of it. It had all the
flashing different coloured lights.
Jeff: So weve got an orb with
two wing-like things coming in a downward angle. Not straight down but maybe 45 degree
John: Thats right.
Jeff: If you were to hold something
out in your outstretched arm, how big would that something be?
John: If I held it out it would
probably be the size of a golf ball.
Jeff: OK. A golf ball at arm's
length. Its that big with two wings coming down and the golf ball itself was
illuminated? Was dark? Lights on it?
John: The ball itself was really
bright red...a pulsating red and down the wings were other lights and they were flashing a
blue, a green, a white and they were just flickering off and on, off and on.
Jeff: I understand. Were they in a
straight line down each wing? These two row of lights? Were they flickering in sequence or
John: In a straight line down the
wings and they were in sequence.
Graham Conway: Was there any noise
John: Not a single sound.
Jeff: So about a hundred yards away
about as big as a golf ball. Had you been able to get closer to it...about as big as half
your mobile home? As big as your mobile?
John: All I did was come running
inside and got my son and said, "Just come look out the window and tell me if you see
anything and he was shocked.. totally shocked. He said, "Dad, am I seeing what I
think Im seeing?" so I says, "So youre seeing it too?" and he
Jeff: So then whatd you do?
John: I went around to other trailer
units. Like I said, it was 1 o'clock in the morning and I was banging on the doors waking
them up and they all thought I was nuts or drunk or smoking something, which I dont.
Jeff: What were you wearing at the
John: No no. My jean shirt and
Jeff: Did anybody come out?
John: Yeah. They said, "Go
sleep it off!". All I wanted to do was borrow a camera. Its right out the back
here and they wouldnt even take the time to come look.
Jeff: Do you remember what you said
John: Yeah... I said theres a
UFO right out the back here, just over the lake and they just sort of closed the door on
me. I woke other neighbours up which they came out and they saw just as it was going away.
They saw the lights and everything flashing the different colours.
Jeff: They did see it. Good, you
have other witnesses. How many people did you get out to look at it John?
Jeff: Well better than zero. And how
long was the object visible to you?
John: Till about 3 oclock in
Jeff: You were going around bonkers
for quite some time then.
Jeff: Was the object pretty much
stationary for most of the time?
Jeff: ....and almost as if it knew
when you got a couple more witnesses it decided to take off.
John: No, I actually phoned the
Jeff: And did they show?
John: No, they didnt show. I
phoned back at 4:30 and I also have a police scanner and they were just making mockery
about how the aliens have landed and stuff like that. So I phoned back and told `em.
Jeff: You heard what they were
saying. Good you confronted them.
John: I told them I wasnt too
pleased about what youre saying. I says "You can come out here and take a blood
test and a breath test. Im not drinking. Im not doing drugs and youll
see this thing".
Jeff: As human as that response may
be it angers me. Were paying these people to respect us....to protect us. If I were
you, but Im not, I would get a copy of those 911 calls and bring them to the
attention of city council and the Police Chief, because that is not what I would exactly
call professional conduct.
John: Well its funny
cause when I went to the police station the desk sergeant turned around and said,
"No calls were reported that night" and I says, "Thats awfully funny,
because Im the one that originally reported it in."
Jeff: So what hes saying is
that the tapes have disappeared?
John: I guess so.
Jeff: I get the picture... we all
get the picture. Thats very unfortunate and I share your incredible frustration and
anger to hear about this. OK, so the object is visible for well over an hour and then when
it retreated...how did it retreat? And in what direction did it go?
John: It went to the southeast.
Jeff: Did it retreat horizontally or
John: Straight up on an angle
towards the south.
Jeff: Then out of sight?
John: Out of sight.
Jeff: And what period of time would
you say it began its departure until it was not visible?
John: It was after a good hour
anyway... I couldnt get hold of a camera, nobody would loan me a camera... uh... I
was pretty distraught from what Id heard over the scanner and stuff like that so
then the next day I phoned my sister and then I got my sister to come out here when I
started seeing them again and they came out with their video camera.
Jeff: Alright... thats your
John: Right... and her husband.
Jeff: Mildred will join us in just a
minute now... what I think I just heard you say is that youve seen these again since
John: Right...I got the one
thats like the big mother ship and she was actually loading on other ships onto it.
Jeff: Alright... lets try and
reconstruct that. Youre describing these extremely well. I want you to know that.
Dont have any hesitation. Last Tuesday was the first sighting. You called your
sister and when was the next sighting of this mother ship?
John: That would have been early
Jeff: Ok the very next day. Tell us
about that one.
John: My sister suggested I get a
security camera from the carport that I have against people stealing the car or breaking
in. Mildred suggested that I just take that off and set it up. Which I did that night.
Jeff: How did you know which
direction to point the camera?
John: I was just looking for the
spots in the sky where they were pulsating.
Jeff: You could see these things
John: I could actually see them
Jeff: So you set the camera up and
turned it on. Was it on a continuous loop or set off by motion?
John: No, I put it on continuous. So
I pointed it in the direction they all were and this is where my whole life changed
around. Im 49 years old. I was kind of a believer before but not a believer
cause Ive never seen anything. But what I saw that night... I was actually
devastated... like I wasnt sleeping... I wasnt eating... I had people look at
this to make sure of what I had on tape because its over 15 minutes long of this big ship
taking on these other ones. Other people had actually seen this too.
Jeff: Tell us about what this big
ship looked like and where it was in relation to your residence.
John: OK. It was to the rear of my
residence just to the north/northeast, just below the mountain range where they had done a
clear cut maybe 4-5 years ago.
Jeff: How many miles away?
John: Would be maybe 3-4 miles.
Jeff: OK, and again, this is the
early morning. Why were you up? Just checking the camera?
John: No, after the first sighting I
couldnt sleep and thought maybe I could get to see a little bit more but I got to
see more than what I wanted to see.
Jeff: So you went out... tell us
what you saw... this is a big thing at distance and again at arms distance about how
big would this be?
John: Well one of the fells that was
here last night... like Im not a mathematical brain... but from what he figured
looking out the back window to where the clear cut was and what he saw on the TV he
figured it had to be well over 350 feet in length. It was humungous and there was two of
them but I only got the one on camera.
Jeff: This is extraordinary and Graham had mentioned
they viewed some extraordinary video at your home. The object was shaped like what?
John: It was like a saucer shape but
the hump in the middle wasnt directly in the centre it was more to the... I guess to
the left side of it.
Jeff: So its slightly off
centre on the top but there was a dome but it was not centered.
John: It wasnt in the centre
Jeff: Ok and the object itself was
pulsating, was steadily illuminated... how did look?
John: It was like a silver colour
and at the bottom of was different coloured lights and they were actually spinning around
while it was hovering. It didnt touch down it just hovered just below the mountain
Jeff: And the lights under it. Did
it look like they were attached to it or just spinning around?
John: They were attached to it.
Jeff: It must have been absolutely
John: It was absolutely gorgeous but
it was scaring the living... daylights out of me, cause it wasnt just the one
ship there were the two them. If I had turned the camera just a little bit to the right I
would have had them both.
Jeff: Same shape?
John: Same shape, same size,
everything. And they were loading up all these other ships!
Jeff: Tell us what the loading
procedure looked like to you.
John: There was a beacon in front of
it just directly in front of it and another just behind it.
Jeff: A beacon being a flashing
John: Like spheres and then there
were smaller spheres that were actually going down underneath and coming in at the top and
actually going inside this ship.
Jeff: You could see them entering
John: Yes I could actually see them
entering into the ship.
Jeff: The ship is taking on smaller
ships. What did the smaller items look like? And as were looking at this round
disc-shaped huge enormous object with a dome on top of it but off centre, where are the
objects entering and what do the objects appear to your eye to look like from that
John: Seemed like they were entering
from the very bottom going into the bottom and also going into the upper top part.
Jeff: So they were streaming in from
one direction or several directions?
John: Several directions.
Jeff: These were little lights? What
colour were these lights?
John: They would appear in different
colours like they would go from a white to red and then to a blue and then enter the ship.
Jeff: So theyd come in almost
as if a reconnaissance... coming back?
John: This is what I was scared of.
This is what frightened me. If I only had to see the one it wouldnt have bothered me
as much... but I seen hundreds of them.
Jeff: Two big ships and hundreds of
John: Hundreds of these things were
entering the one ship alone...it was unbelievable.
Jeff: Oh my, and who was able to
watch this with you?
John: There was absolutely nobody
here at the time, everybody was sleeping. My son is not into this at all.
Jeff: After the first sight he
didnt want anything to do with it?
John: Thats right. After I
replayed the video tape and you could see them coming into the ship from the north and
just before it took off there was a... one that was stationary right in front of it lit
up, about four really bright intense pulsating glows and then about a minute after that,
thats when this ship and the other ship actually took off.
Jeff: Almost like a cadence or a
countdown or a signal of some kind.
John: A signal exactly the way I
took it. It was signal for them to go.
Jeff: How mind boggling... you poor
guy four nights no sleep... you are so fortunate as you know to have met Graham and his
colleagues. They will take everything you say totally seriously and help you with it.
Graham: John, mention the jet
John: Yeah. It was earlier in the
evening just after the sun went down, there was military fighters. I dont whether
they were Canadian or American. They were actually chasing these things over the trailer
court and as they were chasing them they would just... bang... disappear like you turned
the light switch off.
Jeff: They were chasing the smaller
items? Not the big ships but the smaller ones?
John: Right. And when I asked about
it they said there were no military planes in the area whatsoever
Jeff: There never are John.
John: ...and I have that on video...
I have the fighters going crazy around here.
Jeff: And were you able to hear them
without any question... the fighters.
Jeff: And you have neighbours that
can testify to that?
Jeff: And how many fighters?
John: There are two of them on that night. I
originally reported it Monday night and Tuesday night the fighters were here, and they
were saying there was nothing.
Jeff: That would frustrate anybody
believe me. Now Mildred is standing by there with you. Was she able to see something after
this? On another night?
John: Yep. When I phoned her on
Tuesday night her and her husband came over and they went directly over to the Ruskin dam.
On the cell phone I talked to Gene, her husband, and they were saying they couldnt
see anything from the dam. I says there is one directly northeast of you, and its
really big and bright.
Jeff: This is one of the mother
John: No, this is the one that had
like the wings pointing down.
Jeff: Ok. Now how many of those were
there, we just heard of the one on the first night.
John: Yeah there was just the one
when they came over on the Tuesday and they were right there at the dam and they
couldnt see nothing. Im only about two minutes away from the dam, they got in
the car and came down here, they looked out the back window and they couldnt believe
it. From where I am they could see it hovering right there. From the dam itself they
couldnt see it.
Jeff: It was somehow obscured or
cloaked from their dam vantage point but when they got to you they could see the round
globe and the wings... they could see that easy?
John: Yeah... and all the different
coloured lights flashing.
Jeff: Let me get Mildred on the
Jeff: Your brother is heroic with
his efforts to bring this to all our listeners. We really appreciate it. Tell us what you
saw. You pretty much saw the object as he described it? You came down from the dam yet you
couldnt see it at the dam.
Mildred: Yeah it was really
amazing... and not a sound... it was dead silent. What I saw was like the sphere part of
it. I dont have very good eyes and the colours were like red blue and lime green
going on around the base of it and probably the size of a football field or bigger and it
was hovering sort of on its side. It had moved from behind the trees and it came up a
little bit closer and closer. It went from probably 200 yards up to about 100 yards.
Jeff: You were within 100 yards of
Mildred: Yeah. It was amazing.
Jeff: How did you and your husband
Mildred: Odd... the good thing is
that my son... my 13 year old son was here visiting and he saw it as well and he
couldnt believe it.
Jeff: What was he saying?
Mildred: He just... he was always
denying that he didnt believe in this stuff until he saw it that night.
Jeff: What were your emotions? Fear?
Curiosity? A mixture of everything?
Mildred: With what I saw it was like
a sigh saying, "YES! Its true!". There was no doubt in my mind. They come
up with excuses saying its some kind of military plane and all that. Definitely not.
It was a saucer.
Jeff: So your feeling was
Mildred: Oh yes, 100 percent
guaranteed. There was no doubt whatsoever in my mind and the thing I found amazing was
every now and then youd see these red rays shooting out of it. The first one was on
the right hand side and then probably... I dont know maybe two minutes later there
was one on the left-hand side.
Jeff: Small thin beams of light? Or
bigger wider rays of light?
Mildred: Like a red beam that shot
Jeff: Onto the ground?
Mildred: Yeah. I dont know
what it was for or whatever and then it moved a little bit after it shot the beams and it
seemed really close but I had to get up to go to work. Then the next night when all this
other stuff was happening with my brother my son was flying back home to his father so I
was beat by the time I got back home but I would have camped up here. Theres
something big going on Jeff no kidding.
Jeff: How big was the item when it
was closest? If you were to hold something out at arms length.
Mildred: Uhh... wow....
Jeff: An orange? Golf ball?
Mildred: Ohhh... bigger than that.
Jeff: Bigger than an orange?
Mildred: Oh yeah...
Jeff: Bigger than a full moon?
Mildred: Yeah...probably...not by
much but probably yeah.
Graham: Tell Jeff about the scanner
conversation between the police you heard and the comments they made about the
Mildred: That was about 2-3 years
ago. My brother had recorded on a police scanner.... my brother should probably tell that
Jeff: Well hear that from John
in a few minutes. Tell us what else happened in your mind... what other remembrances you
have that might be helpful to us?
Mildred: The thing that I find
amazing is that only a hundred yards away there was no sound... nothing... not even a peep
and the amazing thing is you didnt hear any animals whatsoever. It was dead silent
when these things were around.
Jeff: No crickets... and you have a
million crickets and frogs I imagine?
Mildred: Exactly. But there was more
around than just that one there was 3 or 4 of them that were in the vicinity but that one
was the closest.
Jeff: The others that were in the
vicinity were they the same size do you think? The same type craft or different?
Mildred: Probably... yeah... it was
so far off in the distance it was hard to make out but... they were definitely moving
about erratically but this one was right up close. It was like saying, "Here I
Jeff: Did you have any psychic
feelings like it was aware you were watching it?
Mildred: I have no doubt in my mind.
My brother has on film white flashes in the bushes which is not very far from his trailer
and these are not fire flies.
Jeff: So the camera was picking up
on video the bushes reflecting some kind of flashing light?
Mildred: Exactly. Thats scary.
Jeff: How long was your sighting
then? The duration approximately?
Mildred: Oh Id say a good
couple of hours. I literally had to leave to get my son home for his flight and it was
still there when I left
Jeff: And it stayed relatively close
Jeff: How could you leave something
Mildred: You know if my son
didnt have to go home you wouldnt have gotten me away from there.
Jeff: Tell his Dad, "Sorry we
had an encounter". Then you would have been in real trouble though.
Mildred: Yeah! Could you believe it?
Jeff: Alright Mildred this
extraordinary... do you have any plans to go out there and catch more of these things? It
sounds like from what were going to hear after the break from John that there is
quite a history there. Do you want to go out and camp out and try and see more or have you
seen enough for awhile?
Mildred: No I would actually love to
go up with my UFOBC group if they would have me... I'd be very much interested in that.
Jeff: Alright super... OK thanks
very much Mildred.
Jeff: John if youre there go
ahead and tell us about what you heard and recorded on your scanner.
John: About 3 years ago I was
listening to the police scanner and then there was a report that came in from over in
Mission somebody reported that they saw this red ball in the sky.
Jeff: And thats where you
live, in Mission, right?
John: Thats why I bought the
place over here because it was close to all the action that was going on but I didnt
expect what I got anyway. Anyway the police officer went up to the person that phoned in
and he spotted this thing in the sky above the tree line and he radioed the station that
there was... and the station says, "there could be a flare" and the officer
says, "No. I worked for the Marines and I know what a flare looks like....this thing
is hovering over the tree line". So then a few minutes after all you heard the
officers read back is, "HOLY GEEZ! If I werent seeing this with my own eyes I
would never believe this!" He says, "This thing is the size of a football
Jeff: You have this on tape?
John: I had it on tape. I had loaned
the tape out to somebody and I never ever got the tape back.
Jeff: Well we learned a lesson there
John: Thats why Im not
giving out or loaning out the original tape to what I got of this. Nobody is getting their
hands on this one.
Jeff: Alright. Anything else on this
visit you want to leave us with John... any details that are important that I havent
been able to get to yet or that you havent been able to?
John: Well the only thing is, like I
say, I was totally baffled... really upset over this... I even went as far as phoning my
lawyer. When I was getting in touch with the police and the military I wanted my lawyer to
be over here so he could view the tape with the police, and my lawyer even turns around
and says, "John, when did you start smoking anything?" And I told him I
Jeff: You mean your former lawyer?
John: My former lawyer is right
Jeff: It just challenges people to
their very core in many cases and they just cant handle it. So they deny it.
John: Well with everything Ive
gone through this past week and stuff like that I was going absolutely bananas. Like I
didnt know if we were under some kind of invasion from what I saw. I was showing
people and they were absolutely stunned at what they were seeing on the TV, even the news
networks. They wanted me to bring in the original, they were even going to send a car out
from Vancouver so I would bring in the originals and I wouldnt do that. I was afraid
something might be set up down the line, that I would be intercepted with the originals.
So I was told by somebody else to get the originals out of the residence and somewhere
safe. That is precisely the procedure I did take. On the second tape I have video of
almost three hours.
Jeff: We have video. It is secure.
You are working with Graham and the UFOBC folks. This is an investigation that will go
from one end to the other. Youre in good hands. Thank you John very, very much for
sharing that tonight and I appreciate your time and please give your sister a thanks as
John: I sure will.